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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=Section1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I see. I certainly don’t mind the quiet talk, especially if it helps us make progress.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There are two features in Live Meeting that could be useful for this context. I just tried both using the Java web client; I assume that the rich client as an equal, if not better offering.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There is a 1:1 chat available; bring up the attendees list, select the person you’d like to chat with, and you get a classic, private IM window between the two of you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The shared notes pad can be used to write notes that you’re comfortable with everyone seeing. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Perhaps we could give these two features a try on Thursday? If they don’t work, we could pursue a separate IRC-like chat technology.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jesper Lund Stocholm [mailto:jesper.stocholm@ciber.dk] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2009 10:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> Shawn Villaron; Innovimax SARL<br><b>Cc:</b> e-sc34-wg4@ecma-international.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: SC34/WG4 Test of Live Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>An IRC-like chat enables ”quiet talk in the background” but without the intrusion. During our last Teleconference I was on Messenger with a couple of other attendees sharing links and small comments. I think it would be valuable to have a “conference-wide chat” enabled e.g. in one side of the screen. I thought “Shared notes” was just that, but it seems it is only for the presenter/conference-manager to write in this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I should note that I have not tried this before on a teleconference, so I don’t know if it scales.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>PS: If “quiet talk” is a bad word for meeting organizers, we could call it “knowledge-sharing” instead </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jesper Lund Stocholm<br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#363434'>c</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'>i</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#363434'>ber</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'> Danmark A/S</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Shawn Villaron [mailto:shawnv@microsoft.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jesper Lund Stocholm; Innovimax SARL<br><b>Cc:</b> e-sc34-wg4@ecma-international.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: SC34/WG4 Test of Live Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks for reporting success.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’m interested in better understanding the desire for the IRC like chat. If we’re all on the phone, what’s the purpose? Is it record keeping, a mechanism to ask for the floor, etc? I’m curious so that I can better suggest solutions to the problem …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>shawn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jesper Lund Stocholm [mailto:jesper.stocholm@ciber.dk] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2009 10:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> Shawn Villaron; Innovimax SARL<br><b>Cc:</b> e-sc34-wg4@ecma-international.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: SC34/WG4 Test of Live Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I have no problems connecting to Live Meeting – I access it using the installed app on Windows XP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I do lack an “IRC-kindof-chat” for all users, but maybe that has to be enabled separately. I think it would be of great value to have an open channel/chat that all participants can see.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jesper Lund Stocholm<br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#363434'>c</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'>i</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#363434'>ber</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'> Danmark A/S</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Shawn Villaron [mailto:shawnv@microsoft.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> Innovimax SARL<br><b>Cc:</b> e-sc34-wg4@ecma-international.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: SC34/WG4 Test of Live Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Excellent. I’ll try the Chrome browser tomorrow; that should get us success on four of the five major browsers ( IE, FF, Safari and Chrome ) … <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’m still interested in knowing if anyone on a UNIX/Linux box was successful; I don’t have either of those at home/work to test on …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks again for reporting success!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>shawn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Innovimax SARL [mailto:innovimax@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2009 10:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Shawn Villaron<br><b>Cc:</b> e-sc34-wg4@ecma-international.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: SC34/WG4 Test of Live Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Shawn,<br><br>I tried from France on Safari/Mac and it seems to work just fine !<br><br>Thanks !!<br><br>Mohamed<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Shawn Villaron <<a href="mailto:invitations@livemeeting.com">invitations@livemeeting.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal>When: Monday, Apr 27, 2009 4:00 PM (PDT)<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Where: Virtual<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><pre><span style='font-family:Courier'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"'>This is a test for for SC34's Work Group 4. Ideally we'll be able to use this service to assist in document review during our teleconferences.<br><br>I'd encourage WG4 members to connect to this meeting ( it will be available for 12 hours starting at 4PM Pacific ) to ensure that there are no connectivity problems.<br><br>If you do run into problems, please email me at <a href="mailto:ShawnV@microsoft.com" target="_blank">ShawnV@microsoft.com</a> with your issue.<br><br>If the LM test experience is unacceptable, naturally we'll try to find an alternative.<br><br>Thank you for participating in this test.<br><br>Shawn Villa ron<br>Group Program Manager, Microsoft Office PowerPoint<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Notes </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Shawn Villaron has invited you to attend an online meeting using Live Meeting.</span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/microsoft/join?id=4724MG&role=attend&pw=RG45WP" target="_blank">Join the meeting.</a> </span></b><br><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Audio Information </span></b><br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Audio has not been set up for this meeting.<br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>First Time Users: </span></b><br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To save time before the meeting, <a href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=90703" target="_blank">check your system </a>to make sure it is ready to use Microsoft Office Live Meeting. </span><br><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Troubleshooting</span></b><br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Unable to join the meeting? Follow these steps: </span><o:p></o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Copy this address and paste it into your web browser: </span><br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/microsoft/join" target="_blank">https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/microsoft/join</a> </span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Copy and paste the required information: </span><br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Meeting ID: 4724MG </span><br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Entry Code: RG45WP </span><br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Location: <a href="https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/microsoft" target="_blank">https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/microsoft</a> </span><o:p></o:p></li></ol><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>If you still cannot enter the meeting, <a href="http://r.office.microsoft.com/r/rlidLiveMeeting?p1=12&p2=en_US&p3=LMInfo&p4=support" target="_blank">contact support</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Notice </span></b><br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Microsoft Office Live Meeting can be used to record meetings. 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