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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s private mail between John H. and me about tweaking this DR, which we closed in London.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rex<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Rex Jaeschke [mailto:rex@RexJaeschke.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:29 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'John Haug'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Summary of DR actions taken at the London meeting of SC 34/WG4<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Okay. Got it; thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Let’s close this out in Copenhagen when the Chinese might be there. They were one of the main parties interested in this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rex<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> John Haug [<a href="mailto:johnhaug@exchange.microsoft.com">mailto:johnhaug@exchange.microsoft.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 07, 2013 2:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> Rex Jaeschke<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Summary of DR actions taken at the London meeting of SC 34/WG4<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The text in the DR log and the Word doc I started from is the same, so there are no other/unexpected impacts. The only substantive changes remain the change from “something like” to “similar to” and separating the two adjacent notes in underDot into two paragraphs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Rex Jaeschke [<a href="mailto:rex@RexJaeschke.com">mailto:rex@RexJaeschke.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> John Haug<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Summary of DR actions taken at the London meeting of SC 34/WG4<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[Responding privately]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi there John, I’m confused by the contents of your attachments. Let me explain why.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Initially, I proposed a solution in a stand-alone Word doc that used real tracked changes. After several iterations among interested WG4 members, I abandoned that doc after incorporating it into the DR log, in the process turning real tracked changes into the pseudo changes I’ve always used in the DR log, CORs, and such. I announced this on Sep 26, as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From: Rex Jaeschke [<a href="mailto:rex@RexJaeschke.com">mailto:rex@RexJaeschke.com</a>] <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:35 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To: SC 34 WG4 (<a href="mailto:e-SC34-WG4@ecma-international.org">e-SC34-WG4@ecma-international.org</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Subject: DR 11-0033, "WML: Positioning of Emphasis Marks"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have an action item, as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rex will write up the solution for DR 11-0033, “WML: Positioning of Emphasis Marks”, and circulate it to some reviewers (Francis, Bobby, John, and JP, CN, and KR delegates). Pending (to be finalized in London)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have completed writing up the final compromise, and the latest proposal is incorporated in the DR log. That said, note John Haug’s comments since then w.r.t concern as to whether this support is sufficient for other languages.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rex<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From the London F2F meeting minutes:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>DR 11-0033, “WML: Positioning of Emphasis Marks”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>After some discussion, we agreed to Move to Last Call the latest proposal in the DR log.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>When I opened your attachments, I noticed that the DOCX file looked like the old stand-along Word doc rather than the latest spec in the DR log. It also had actual tracked changes. In an effort to see exactly which changes you were proposing I looked first at the tracked changes under my name and then those under yours. All those from me were from way back in June and there were none in the enumeration value table, which I know I’d rewritten quite a bit, so I figured something was odd. Then I saw that most of the changes I’d made in the enum table were somehow included in changes having your name. Then when I looked at the PDF I immediately noticed that both read and blue were both used for underline and strikethrough, which confused me even further.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As the text in the DR log is what WG4 accepted in London, what we need is a set of diffs to that, so we can review and decide. It’s not clear to me how to make that set of diffs from your attachments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rex<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> John Haug [<a href="mailto:johnhaug@exchange.microsoft.com">mailto:johnhaug@exchange.microsoft.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Rex Jaeschke; SC 34 WG4<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Summary of DR actions taken at the London meeting of SC 34/WG4<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi all –<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I was reviewing the DR changes from London (since I forgot to update some personal DR notes) and reviewed 11-0033. The only thing I suggest is changing to “similar to” the “something like” in “The intent is to have an emphasis mark something like the following:”. The current phrase is a bit too casual for my taste. Yes, I’m being pedantic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And I was more pedantic. In the latest change-tracked version, I found the large block changes of text to repeat much existing text, making it harder to see what had changed. I created a “compressed” version that makes the smaller changes inline rather than as replacement paragraphs / table rows. This is attached for reference for the final changes to be applied to the standard. There should be no other changes other than the “something like” and moving onto a new line the second note in underDot that is adjacent to the first note, which I suggest for simple reading clarity.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK, no more 11-0033! :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Rex Jaeschke [<a href="mailto:rex@RexJaeschke.com">mailto:rex@RexJaeschke.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> SC 34 WG4<br><b>Subject:</b> Summary of DR actions taken at the London meeting of SC 34/WG4<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>DR 10-0015, “OPC: Relationship Markup”</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Alex presented the slides in WG4</span> <a href="http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc34/wg4/archive/sc34-wg4-2012-0246.zip"><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>N 0246</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>. Lots of discussion; no decisions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>DR 11-0033, “WML: Positioning of Emphasis Marks”</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>After some discussion, we agreed to Move to Last Call the latest proposal in the DR log.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>DR 12-0010, “SML: Worksheet, vertical page break view term not defined”</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris will start a thread re this on the email list.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Rex</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>