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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ah, yes, back to the “open” only means what we in the pro-OpenOffice crowd say it means. My, how I miss 2008!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This article is so full of inaccuracies, half-truths, outdated information and outright propaganda that it’s just sad. But as a Microsoft employee there is
no benefit from me posting a response for two very different reasons. First, since Microsoft Office now has a very high quality implementation of ODF, it makes no real difference to our business if the pro-ODF cheerleaders whip up a few public sector groups
to only use ODF, and second, the audience of this article completely filters out anything that Microsoft has to say because, in their view, Microsoft is just evil. So I’ll just respond here, because I know that those on this mailing list are actually open
to things like facts. And this group recognizes the hypocrisy in complaining that Open XML was originally based on Microsoft’s implementation without ever mentioning the origins of the ODF specification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The lack of integrity in this article begins with the title, and becomes very evident in the subtitle. The subtitle claims “Open source impeded by incompatibilities
and inconsistencies in the Office Open XML document format”. Although the author identifies a couple of bugs in Microsoft Office, no attempt is made to actually identify specific incompatibilities or inconsistencies in the Open XML standard. Instead he just
asserts that the mere existence of “three different versions” results in insurmountable complexity. And of course the author completely ignores the three different versions of ODF and the “incompatibilities and inconsistencies” between those versions. But
those who are willing to be honest and actually read the Open XML standards (including the Ecma 376 First Edition) recognize that coding for the differences between those three is not rocket science, and most university CS majors are capable of handling such
“complexity”. As I recall, basic if/then coding principles are taught in pretty much every introduction to programming course. If you can’t figure out how to use existing XML parsing libraries to look at the namespace declarations in a .docx file to determine
which edition of the Open XML specification that document is based on then you have no business changing code in any office productivity application. (Did you notice how I used the if/then approach there?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What the author of this article really means when he says “to date there are no free and open source solutions that fully support OOXML” is that the developers
of OpenOffice and LibreOffice either have chosen not to invest or simply don’t have the necessary development expertise to do a professional quality implementation of Open XML. There certainly wouldn’t be any reason to confuse readers with actual facts about
open source implementations of Open XML, including the significant improvements in Open XML support in the most recent update to OpenOffice. The author completely ignores another post on the same site that directly refutes his claim. The article at
<a href="https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/three-five-biggest-ooxml-support-issues-fixed-open-source-office">
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/three-five-biggest-ooxml-support-issues-fixed-open-source-office</a> heralds the resolution of three of the five biggest Open XML gaps in OpenOffice and LibreOffice. But apparently the OO/LO developers have been completely incapable
of resolving the other two issues in the 18 months since that article was posted. And apparently the meaning of open source solutions doesn’t mean what I thought it did, because one of the best third-party implementations of Open XML is the Apache POI project,
which is used by at least two really solid office suites for Android devices. Last I checked, Apache projects are still open source.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perhaps the OO/LO communities should look to China for some new, capable development talent. Over the past few years CS students at Beihang University and BISTU
in Beijing have developed a pretty robust translator that converts documents between Open XML and Uniform Office Format (China’s XML-based document format standard). The recently released update to the UOF Translator adds support for translating “Strict” Open
XML documents. These university students were able to master the “complexity” that apparently has completely stumped the “experts” Mr. Feilner cites in his article to handle both Strict and Transitional documents in the same code. Oh, and this project is also
open source, so maybe the experts can look to that code for some help.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And the claims that ODF is implemented by more implementers and on more platforms than Open XML is clear evidence that the author and his “experts” have no
interest in painting an accurate picture. Every major office suite on every major platform has Open XML support, but the same is not true for ODF. They are very generous as they count all of the vendors supporting ODF, but they do not afford the same generosity
to implementations of Open XML. They want to have it both ways by counting Microsoft Office as an implementer of ODF (we agree that Microsoft Office versions since Office 2007 SP2 should be counted as ODF implementations even though we have publicly stated
that we don’t implement ODF’s change tracking) but not counting OpenOffice or LibreOffice as implementations of Open XML because they aren’t “complete” implementations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But the reality is that this author, and the “experts” he has consulted, have no real interest in improving the Open XML standard, or even developing enough
expertise to understand and implement it well. Their real interest is in attacking Microsoft. The small investments they make to implement Open XML are unnecessarily complicated as they reverse engineer files written by Microsoft Office. Why? Microsoft publishes
full details of our implementation of ISO/IEC 29500 (and Ecma 376, First Edition), including detailed specification of each of the extensions we have implemented (using MCE). We have even published complete details of our implementation of ODF. If you want
an exercise in futility, try to find published details of OpenOffice’s variations from the ODF standard, or specification of the development choices they made when the standard was not clear?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I could go on and on, as I’m sure any of you could as well, pointing out other errors and efforts to mislead in this article. But for what purpose? This group
already knows these details, and the audience of that disingenuous article will not be swayed by something as trivial as reality.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So I’ll join Jesper and take a couple of Tylenol for my trouble.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jim Thatcher<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Jesper Lund Stocholm [mailto:Jesper.LundStocholm@ciber.dk]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 30, 2014 11:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> MURATA Makoto; SC34<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Complex singularity versus openness?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Dear Murata-san,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I saw the article a couple of days ago, but my head started hurting after the second paragraph, so I didn't make it through the whole article.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:black">J</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5E5F">Med venlig hilsen / Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5E5F"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5E5F">Jesper Lund Stocholm</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6547A1">Senior Architect</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>MURATA Makoto<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 01, 2014 4:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> SC34<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Complex singularity versus openness?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><span lang="DA">Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><span lang="DA">I find this article from EC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><span lang="DA"><a href="https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/elibrary/case/complex-singularity-versus-openness">https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/elibrary/case/complex-singularity-versus-openness</a><br clear="all">
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Regards,<br>
Makoto <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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