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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Dear Murata-san,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">One of the thoughts that came to me while reading (some of) the article was, that up-front, the article seems thorough and fact-based. But if you examine
the written text, you quickly realize that the article is one-sided, biased and even though the article is "fact-based", it only deals with a very limited part of the facts available. You really need a lot of knowledge (as Jim said, dating back to 2008
</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:black">J</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> ) to remove the reality-distortion field the author was clearly affected by
when he wrote the article.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">So I am not surprised that people everywhere (including the EPUB community) believes this article, it was also thrown in my face at
<a href="http://www.version2.dk/blog/odf-12-i-iso-pas-submission-67510#comment-280080">
http://www.version2.dk/blog/odf-12-i-iso-pas-submission-67510#comment-280080</a> … but that doesn't make it any more right.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">With regards to your proposal about SC34/WG4 doing something, I don't really see the need to do any more than we already do. And I certainly do not
think we should try to do any updates with regards to ODF. That must be the task of the ODF TC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5E5F">Med venlig hilsen / Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5E5F"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5E5F">Jesper Lund Stocholm</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6547A1">Senior Architect</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5E5F">t: +4544662466 </span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959"><a href="jesper.stocholm@ciber.com"><span lang="DE" style="color:#595959;text-decoration:none">jesper.stocholm@ciber.com</span></a></span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959"> </span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#595959"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>MURATA Makoto<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 03, 2014 5:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> SC34<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Complex singularity versus openness?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">One of my colleagues in the EPUB community believed this article <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">and twittered about it. Another colleague (again in the EPUB <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">They are credulous.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">I do not think that WG4 should respond to this article, but <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">2014-07-03 7:02 GMT+09:00 Jim Thatcher <<a href="mailto:Jim.Thatcher@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Jim.Thatcher@microsoft.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ah, yes, back to the “open” only means what we in the pro-OpenOffice crowd say it means.
My, how I miss 2008!</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This article is so full of inaccuracies, half-truths, outdated information and outright
propaganda that it’s just sad. But as a Microsoft employee there is no benefit from me posting a response for two very different reasons. First, since Microsoft Office now has a very high quality implementation of ODF, it makes no real difference to our business
if the pro-ODF cheerleaders whip up a few public sector groups to only use ODF, and second, the audience of this article completely filters out anything that Microsoft has to say because, in their view, Microsoft is just evil. So I’ll just respond here, because
I know that those on this mailing list are actually open to things like facts. And this group recognizes the hypocrisy in complaining that Open XML was originally based on Microsoft’s implementation without ever mentioning the origins of the ODF specification.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The lack of integrity in this article begins with the title, and becomes very evident
in the subtitle. The subtitle claims “Open source impeded by incompatibilities and inconsistencies in the Office Open XML document format”. Although the author identifies a couple of bugs in Microsoft Office, no attempt is made to actually identify specific
incompatibilities or inconsistencies in the Open XML standard. Instead he just asserts that the mere existence of “three different versions” results in insurmountable complexity. And of course the author completely ignores the three different versions of ODF
and the “incompatibilities and inconsistencies” between those versions. But those who are willing to be honest and actually read the Open XML standards (including the Ecma 376 First Edition) recognize that coding for the differences between those three is
not rocket science, and most university CS majors are capable of handling such “complexity”. As I recall, basic if/then coding principles are taught in pretty much every introduction to programming course. If you can’t figure out how to use existing XML parsing
libraries to look at the namespace declarations in a .docx file to determine which edition of the Open XML specification that document is based on then you have no business changing code in any office productivity application. (Did you notice how I used the
if/then approach there?)</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What the author of this article really means when he says “to date there are no free
and open source solutions that fully support OOXML” is that the developers of OpenOffice and LibreOffice either have chosen not to invest or simply don’t have the necessary development expertise to do a professional quality implementation of Open XML. There
certainly wouldn’t be any reason to confuse readers with actual facts about open source implementations of Open XML, including the significant improvements in Open XML support in the most recent update to OpenOffice. The author completely ignores another post
on the same site that directly refutes his claim. The article at <a href="https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/three-five-biggest-ooxml-support-issues-fixed-open-source-office" target="_blank">
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/three-five-biggest-ooxml-support-issues-fixed-open-source-office</a> heralds the resolution of three of the five biggest Open XML gaps in OpenOffice and LibreOffice. But apparently the OO/LO developers have been completely incapable
of resolving the other two issues in the 18 months since that article was posted. And apparently the meaning of open source solutions doesn’t mean what I thought it did, because one of the best third-party implementations of Open XML is the Apache POI project,
which is used by at least two really solid office suites for Android devices. Last I checked, Apache projects are still open source.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perhaps the OO/LO communities should look to China for some new, capable development
talent. Over the past few years CS students at Beihang University and BISTU in Beijing have developed a pretty robust translator that converts documents between Open XML and Uniform Office Format (China’s XML-based document format standard). The recently released
update to the UOF Translator adds support for translating “Strict” Open XML documents. These university students were able to master the “complexity” that apparently has completely stumped the “experts” Mr. Feilner cites in his article to handle both Strict
and Transitional documents in the same code. Oh, and this project is also open source, so maybe the experts can look to that code for some help.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And the claims that ODF is implemented by more implementers and on more platforms than
Open XML is clear evidence that the author and his “experts” have no interest in painting an accurate picture. Every major office suite on every major platform has Open XML support, but the same is not true for ODF. They are very generous as they count all
of the vendors supporting ODF, but they do not afford the same generosity to implementations of Open XML. They want to have it both ways by counting Microsoft Office as an implementer of ODF (we agree that Microsoft Office versions since Office 2007 SP2 should
be counted as ODF implementations even though we have publicly stated that we don’t implement ODF’s change tracking) but not counting OpenOffice or LibreOffice as implementations of Open XML because they aren’t “complete” implementations.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But the reality is that this author, and the “experts” he has consulted, have no real
interest in improving the Open XML standard, or even developing enough expertise to understand and implement it well. Their real interest is in attacking Microsoft. The small investments they make to implement Open XML are unnecessarily complicated as they
reverse engineer files written by Microsoft Office. Why? Microsoft publishes full details of our implementation of ISO/IEC 29500 (and Ecma 376, First Edition), including detailed specification of each of the extensions we have implemented (using MCE). We have
even published complete details of our implementation of ODF. If you want an exercise in futility, try to find published details of OpenOffice’s variations from the ODF standard, or specification of the development choices they made when the standard was not
clear?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I could go on and on, as I’m sure any of you could as well, pointing out other errors
and efforts to mislead in this article. But for what purpose? This group already knows these details, and the audience of that disingenuous article will not be swayed by something as trivial as reality.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So I’ll join Jesper and take a couple of Tylenol for my trouble.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jim Thatcher</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Jesper Lund Stocholm [mailto:<a href="mailto:Jesper.LundStocholm@ciber.dk" target="_blank">Jesper.LundStocholm@ciber.dk</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 30, 2014 11:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> MURATA Makoto; SC34<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Complex singularity versus openness?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Dear Murata-san,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I saw the article a couple of days ago, but my head started hurting after the second paragraph,
so I didn't make it through the whole article.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:black">J</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5E5F">Med venlig hilsen / Best regards</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5E5F">Jesper Lund Stocholm</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6547A1">Senior Architect</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="tel:%2B4544662466" target="_blank">+4544662466</a> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="tel:%2B4530945570" target="_blank">+4530945570</a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959"><a href="http://jesper.stocholm@ciber.com" target="_blank"><span lang="DE" style="color:#595959;text-decoration:none">jesper.stocholm@ciber.com</span></a></span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com" target="_blank">eb2mmrt@gmail.com</a> [<a href="mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>MURATA Makoto<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 01, 2014 4:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> SC34<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Complex singularity versus openness?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dear colleagues,<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I find this article from EC.<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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