DR 09-0043 _ WML, Fonts: notTrueType attribute and bitmap fonts

Chris Rae Chris.Rae at microsoft.com
Wed Nov 10 23:53:12 CET 2010

Final version attached.

If nobody objects, I think we can close this without a call, although happy to wait for a call too.


-----Original Message-----
From: suzuki toshiya [mailto:mpsuzuki at hiroshima-u.ac.jp] 
Sent: 09 November 2010 17:52
To: Chris Rae
Cc: e-SC34-WG4 at ecma-international.org; eb2m-mrt at asahi-net.or.jp
Subject: Re: DR 09-0043 _ WML, Fonts: notTrueType attribute and bitmap fonts

Dear Chris,

Thank you for correction! I apologize to say a few more.
In the last part, there is different wording: "a font including TrueType outlining". I recommend to use the same word in above, "outline" is better than "outlining".

suzuki toshiya, Hiroshima University, Japan

Chris Rae wrote:
> Hello Suzuki-san and WG4. Suzuki-san - my apologies for my failure to comprehend this very successfully. I now remember you explained this distinction to me at the WG4 meeting in Tokyo and you've now very patiently explained it again.
> Does the attached modified wording look acceptable as a final version?
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mpsuzuki at hiroshima-u.ac.jp [mailto:mpsuzuki at hiroshima-u.ac.jp]
> Sent: 28 October 2010 03:32
> To: Chris Rae
> Cc: e-SC34-WG4 at ecma-international.org; eb2m-mrt at asahi-net.or.jp; 
> mpsuzuki at hiroshima-u.ac.jp
> Subject: Re: DR 09-0043 _ WML, Fonts: notTrueType attribute and bitmap 
> fonts
> Dear Chris,
> I've checked Office for Mac v.X and 2008. They cannot embed any fonts into the document, so I think existing Microsoft implementations for OOXML had never embedded a TrueType font without outline.
> --
> Also I have to correct my previous post "Mac OS X accepts a TrueType font without outline glyph data".
> Until Mac OS X 10.4 (so-called Tiger), it is true.
> But after Mac OS X 10.5 (so-called Leopard), it is false. A TrueType font without outlne glyph data is refused as "this font has serious problem in sfnt structure, it cannot be used" (a font with minor problem is warned but accepted - a font with serious problem is not accepted).
> # NOTE:
> # When I write as "a TrueType font without outline # glyph data", it means a TrueType font without # loca/glyf table (tables for TrueType outline) # nor CFF table (table for PostScript outline).
> #
> # A TrueType font including loca/glyf table that # content is only single glyph for white square # (to be used as a fallback for missing glyph) # is NOT "a TrueType font without outline glyph data".
> Regards,
> mpsuzuki
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:17:45 +0900
> mpsuzuki at hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote:
>> One of my concern was that "OpenType (or ISO/IEC 14496-22) permits a 
>> font including bitmap glyph only, and without any outline glyph (not 
>> TrueType, not PostScript), it should not be marked as notTrueType?".
>> It seems that Mac OS X accepts such bitmap-only OpenType.
>> I will check Office on Macintosh platforms, within 24 hours.
>> Unfortunately, I have no access for the latest Office for Mac 2011.
>> Regards,
>> mpsuzuki
>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:44:41 +0000
>> Chris Rae <Chris.Rae at microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> http://cid-c8ba0861dc5e4adc.office.live.com/view.aspx/Public%20Docum
>>> en
>>> ts/2009/DR-09-0043.docx
>>> This DR we discussed in Tokyo and my notes say I had some minor writing up to do and then we could close it. Unfortunately my notes don't say any more than that, so I am relying on my memory to work out what that writing up was. I *think* that the issue was the use of "TypeType" when we really meant "TrueType or OpenType", so I've edited the text to include that. I also spotted a typo which I've fixed.
>>> Suzuki-san, is there a chance you could take a look at this one and confirm that these are the right changes? If they are, we should be able to close it easily on the next call.
>>> Chris

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