ODF Errata discussion (earlier - Re: REMINDER AND DRAFT AGENDA - Teleconference meeting of WG 6, 2010-06-23 at 13:00 UTC)

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

The preferred term is OpenDocument consumer, although we don't use that term
consistently until ODF 1.2.  For ODF 1.0/1.1 we should probably use the term
that is prevalent in that document.

I like the rewording you've just proposed because it is based on the schema,
although we need to make sure that this does not apply to sub-elements that
are specified to have text.

It is important to eliminate the "In conformance with the W3C XML
specification [XML 1.0] ..." phrasing because there is no such requirement
in [XML 1.0] as Alex points out.  We should also roll the rewording here
into ODF 1.2 (which already eliminates the "in conformance" phrase).  It is
much better than anything I have seen before.

How about,

"An ODF processor shall ignore white space that appears directly as
character data in elements declared not to contain text content in the
OpenDocument schema."

This leaves open issues around this with regard to elements included from
namespaces for which the OpenDocument specification is not the authority.
It also begs the question with regard to foreign elements.  But what you and
Alex have come up with here seems to be the best simple statement so far.

 - Dennis

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From: sc34wg6-bounces at vse.cz [mailto:sc34wg6-bounces at vse.cz] On Behalf Of
Svante Schubert
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 06:40
To: sc34wg6 at vse.cz; alexb at griffinbrown.co.uk
Subject: ODF Errata discussion (earlier - Re: REMINDER AND DRAFT AGENDA -
Teleconference meeting of WG 6, 2010-06-23 at 13:00 UTC)

Hi Alex,

please excuse the confusion, the sentence below is indeed still within
the errata/specification. (I should not write mails short before our
meeting.)

Thank you for your wording, I would like to reuse it and exchange

"In conformance with the W3C XML specification [XML1.0], white-space
characters that are contained in elements that have element content (in
other words that must contain elements only but not text) are ignored. "

with

"An ODF processor shall ignore whitespace in element content for elements
not declared to contain text content in the ODF schema".

Uncertain yet if we should exchange "ODF processor" with "ODF
implementation", but that are only minor editorial changes.

Thanks for your feed-back, Alex!
Svante

On 23.06.2010 14:59, Svante Schubert wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> thanks for the clarification.
> I believe the previously ignored was meant in regard of the output and
> not the input/parsing.
> In any case the sentence addressing the ignorance of whitespace was
> already removed in the latest errata.
>
> Let's see on the call if there are problems remaining..
>
> Hear you soon,
> Svante
>
>
> Am 23.06.2010 14:46, schrieb Alex Brown:
>   
>> Svante hi
>>
>> On 1309:10 ...
>>
>> The XML Rec. says "An XML processor MUST always pass all characters in a
document that are not markup through to the application." 
>>
>> This include white space characters. So the spec ODF saying that any
white space characters "are ignored" is NOT in conformance with XML - quite
the opposite.
>>
>> If a DTD were in effect a validating processor would be able to label
some space as "ignorable" as it was passed through, but it would not be
ignored. However, in ODF no DTD is in use.
>>
>> As I understand it, ODF wants to invent a equivalent way of having
ignorable white space without a DTD. I think my proposed wording achieves
that.
>>
>> - Alex.
>>
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