User engagement and PR

[Jesper Lund Stocholm]

Hi all,

Speaking of more publicity - what is the status of making an archive of our mail list publically available?

Jesper Lund Stocholm
ciber Danmark A/S

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Innovimax SARL [mailto:innovimax at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 12:26 PM
> To: MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given)
> Cc: SC 34 WG4
> Subject: Re: User engagement and PR
> 
> Dear Muarata San,
> 
> Let me phrases some of your point differently
> 
> == National bodies ==
> 
> JTC 1/SC 34/WG 4 involves national bodies, it means the implementer
> have to cope with their national bodies FIRST OF ALL before being
> involved in WG 4
> My understanding (and I think people here will confirm this), many
> implementors are represented in the mirror committee of SC 34 in many
> countries (it is the case for France)
> So probably the problem is not representativity by itself, but
> permeability of those representative to access WG 4
> 
> It should be interesting that we dress up a list of representative of
> people involved in "mirror" committees and then try to "help" those
> people to participate
> 
> I myself try to make more small business companies being involved in
> the French mirror committee, since a recent law make now this free for
> them to participate (nonwithstanding the price of the time, effort and
> travel that remains)
> 
> == Readable archive of the mailing list ==
> 
> So now let's spot a real problem : the archive of the mailing list are
> not readable so few people participate. I already experienced this in
> CSS WG. So I think we FIRST need to solve this issue in order to move
> forward
> 
> == New open to public mailing list ==
> Could we create something like e-SC34-WG4-public mailing list where we
> could discuss thing with people and push some general discussion in
> there
> 
> I think this will help people keeping in touch with what we do
> 
> == Status of participant ==
> What would be the status of people participating to WG4 that HAVE NOT
> BEEN SENT by there national Body ? How can we ensure IP ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mohamed
> 
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:43 AM, MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given)
> <eb2m-mrt at asahi-net.or.jp> wrote:
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > Our SC34 chair is preparing his JTC1 presentation and I had a chance
> > to help him.  This experience makes me reconsider WG4.  User
> > engagement is one of the titles in the JTC1 presentation template.
> >
> > WG4 has worked very hard.  I believe that WG4 has achieved
> > a lot and I am appreciative to everybody involved.  However,
> > if we would like to succeed in providing an infrastructure
> > of the IT world, working hard in creating specifications
> > is not good enough.  We have to sell our work to the world
> > and establish good relationship with those who use OOXML.
> >
> > Recently, our project editor wrote:
> >
> >> BTW, in more than 3 years, Ecma TC45 has received only 3 or 4 emails
> from
> >> members of the public, asking about details in the standard. I have
> received
> >> no correspondence from the public via JTC 1, and I don't recall
> anyone
> >> within WG4 saying they were contacted by the public and asked to
> submit any
> >> DRs on their behalf. In short, the level of direct technical inquiry
> from
> >> the public has been negligible.
> >
> > In my opinion, his observation reveals that we have to seriously
> > consider user engagement or PR.  I know that successful committees in
> > new standardization organizations (such as W3C, IETF, and OASIS)
> > receive a lot of feedbacks from non-members.
> >
> > Of course, political climate is not easy, and blogsphere provides
> > negative information about WG4 even now.  But we should try to
> improve
> > the current situation.
> >
> > Specifically, let me ask three questions:
> >
> > - WG4 needs more OOXML implementors as members.  WG4 has some, but
> >  not enough.  How can we attract more?
> >
> > - WG4 needs more feedbacks from the public.  This topic was discussed
> >  in London (AHG1) and we decided not to create a publicly-available
> >  web form or mailing list.  But can we now provide a better answer?
> >
> > - Can WG4 make it easy for non-members to follow our discussions?
> >  Given the lack of feedbacks, I guess that few non-members
> >  follow our discussions.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > SC34/WG4 Convenor
> > MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given)
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Innovimax SARL
> Consulting, Training & XML Development
> 9, impasse des Orteaux
> 75020 Paris
> Tel : +33 9 52 475787
> Fax : +33 1 4356 1746
> http://www.innovimax.fr
> RCS Paris 488.018.631
> SARL au capital de 10.000 €