DR 11-0033, "WML: Positioning of Emphasis Marks", REVISITED

[Rex Jaeschke]

Here's private mail between John H. and me about tweaking this DR, which we
closed in London.

 

Rex

 

 

From: Rex Jaeschke [mailto:rex at RexJaeschke.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:29 AM
To: 'John Haug'
Subject: RE: Summary of DR actions taken at the London meeting of SC 34/WG4

 

Okay. Got it; thanks.

 

Let's close this out in Copenhagen when the Chinese might be there. They
were one of the main parties interested in this.

 

Rex

 

 

From: John Haug [mailto:johnhaug at exchange.microsoft.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:32 PM
To: Rex Jaeschke
Subject: RE: Summary of DR actions taken at the London meeting of SC 34/WG4

 

The text in the DR log and the Word doc I started from is the same, so there
are no other/unexpected impacts.  The only substantive changes remain the
change from "something like" to "similar to" and separating the two adjacent
notes in underDot into two paragraphs.

 

John

 

From: Rex Jaeschke [mailto:rex at RexJaeschke.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:35 AM
To: John Haug
Subject: RE: Summary of DR actions taken at the London meeting of SC 34/WG4

 

[Responding privately]

 

Hi there John, I'm confused by the contents of your attachments. Let me
explain why.

 

Initially, I proposed a solution in a stand-alone Word doc that used real
tracked changes. After several iterations among interested WG4 members, I
abandoned that doc after incorporating it into the DR log, in the process
turning real tracked changes into the pseudo changes I've always used in the
DR log, CORs, and such. I announced this on Sep 26, as follows:

 

From: Rex Jaeschke [mailto:rex at RexJaeschke.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:35 PM

To: SC 34 WG4 (e-SC34-WG4 at ecma-international.org)

Subject: DR 11-0033, "WML: Positioning of Emphasis Marks"

 

I have an action item, as follows:

 

Rex will write up the solution for DR 11-0033, "WML: Positioning of Emphasis
Marks", and circulate it to some reviewers (Francis, Bobby, John, and JP,
CN, and KR delegates). Pending (to be finalized in London)

 

I have completed writing up the final compromise, and the latest proposal is
incorporated in the DR log. That said, note John Haug's comments since then
w.r.t concern as to whether this support is sufficient for other languages.

 

Rex

 

>From the London F2F meeting minutes:

 

DR 11-0033, "WML: Positioning of Emphasis Marks"

 

After some discussion, we agreed to Move to Last Call the latest proposal in
the DR log.

 

 

When I opened your attachments, I noticed that the DOCX file looked like the
old stand-along Word doc rather than the latest spec in the DR log. It also
had actual tracked changes. In an effort to see exactly which changes you
were proposing I looked first at the tracked changes under my name and then
those under yours. All those from me were from way back in June and there
were none in the enumeration value table, which I know I'd rewritten quite a
bit, so I figured something was odd. Then I saw that most of the changes I'd
made in the enum table were somehow included in changes having your name.
Then when I looked at the PDF I immediately noticed that both read and blue
were both used for underline and strikethrough, which confused me even
further.

 

As the text in the DR log is what WG4 accepted in London, what we need is a
set of diffs to that, so we can review and decide. It's not clear to me how
to make that set of diffs from your attachments.

 

Rex

 

 

 

 

 

From: John Haug [mailto:johnhaug at exchange.microsoft.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:20 PM
To: Rex Jaeschke; SC 34 WG4
Subject: RE: Summary of DR actions taken at the London meeting of SC 34/WG4

 

Hi all -

I was reviewing the DR changes from London (since I forgot to update some
personal DR notes) and reviewed 11-0033.  The only thing I suggest is
changing to "similar to" the "something like" in "The intent is to have an
emphasis mark something like the following:".  The current phrase is a bit
too casual for my taste.  Yes, I'm being pedantic.

 

And I was more pedantic.  In the latest change-tracked version, I found the
large block changes of text to repeat much existing text, making it harder
to see what had changed.  I created a "compressed" version that makes the
smaller changes inline rather than as replacement paragraphs / table rows.
This is attached for reference for the final changes to be applied to the
standard.  There should be no other changes other than the "something like"
and moving onto a new line the second note in underDot that is adjacent to
the first note, which I suggest for simple reading clarity.

 

OK, no more 11-0033!  :)

 

John

 

From: Rex Jaeschke [mailto:rex at RexJaeschke.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:58 PM
To: SC 34 WG4
Subject: Summary of DR actions taken at the London meeting of SC 34/WG4

 

DR 10-0015, "OPC: Relationship Markup"

Alex presented the slides in WG4
<http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc34/wg4/archive/sc34-wg4-2012-0246.zip> N
0246. Lots of discussion; no decisions.

DR 11-0033, "WML: Positioning of Emphasis Marks"

After some discussion, we agreed to Move to Last Call the latest proposal in
the DR log.

DR 12-0010, "SML: Worksheet, vertical page break view term not defined"

Chris will start a thread re this on the email list.

Rex

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